Response to: “More Evidence of Vaccine Damage to Immune Systems”

URL: More Evidence of Vaccine Damage to Immune Systems.

Response (1): 

Did you read the article?

Thus, annual vaccination against influenza is effective but may have potential drawbacks that have previously been underappreciated and that are also a matter of debate (7, 22, 37). By no means do we suggest halting annual vaccination of children, especially those at high risk for complications, such as CF patients. A number of studies have demonstrated that annual vaccination reduces the morbidity and mortality caused by seasonal influenza in children and is (cost-)effective (23, 3436). However, long-term annual vaccination using inactivated vaccines may hamper the induction of cross-reactive CD8+ T cell responses by natural infections and thus may affect the induction of heterosubtypic immunity. This may render young children who have not previously been infected with an influenza virus more susceptible to infection with a pandemic influenza virus of a novel subtype. Therefore, we argue for the development and use of vaccines that could induce broadly protective immune responses in children. For example, it has been demonstrated that live attenuated influenza vaccines induce virus-specific CD8+ T cell responses (21, 23a). In addition, it has been demonstrated that live attenuated influenza vaccines are also effective against drift variants in children (1, 2,19). The development of broadly protective vaccines has been on the research agenda for some time, and progress has been made (13, 17, 38, 43). Young children, whether they are at high risk for influenza-associated complications or not, may especially benefit the most from these vaccines.”

You said: “These results are confirmed in mouse models, showing that flu vaccines hamper mouse CD8+ T cell response 
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19440239

Response (2): The main article you are discussing  “More Evidence of Vaccine Damage to Immune Systems” was published in 2011. The articles cited to support your statement above “These results are confirmed…” were published in 2009 (2 years before the 1st one).

You said: According to this link: http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/09/23/mysterious-virus-spreading-across-u-s-canada-primarily-affecting-vaccinated-children/ the new disease Entovirus EV-D68 which has infected more than 150 children in the US, sending dozens to intensive care units, has yet to infect a child who hadn’t received MMR, polio, and flu vaccines.

Response (3): Please send me the URL of a related scientific article (not a blog) supporting this information.

You said “I’m seeing lots of articles in the main stream media on why children should get their flu shots and the like. Haven’t seen one talk about these issues or citations yet, however.”

Response (4): That should be great news: why not do you write that paper and also try to publish in a peer-review medical journal

 

  3 comments for “Response to: “More Evidence of Vaccine Damage to Immune Systems”

  1. September 26, 2014 at 6:53 pm

    I suggest you consider a mental model in which there is crowd-think, or political pressure, or editorial bias, or political correctness, and/or maybe simple overt strong-arm consequences for those who transgress too far, or maybe simple cognitive bias, which is a well studied phenomenon,… anyway some combination of the above, that often causes researchers reporting their results to issue statements in support of the Greatness and Benefits of Vaccines even in papers that report results highly damaging to them. The same phenomena may be observed in “Climate Science”. In pretty much any cargo cult science, in fact.

    You can be relatively immune from becoming deluded when the above is going on if you are capable of evaluating the results and ignoring the flowery prose.

    The results are, that flu vaccines have been repeatedly observed to cause collateral damage to immune systems both in humans and mice, whatever benefits they might provide, thus rendering humans and mice more exposed to some other infections than the ones they provided benefits against.

    Do you deny that simple statement?

  2. September 26, 2014 at 9:35 pm

    “I suggest you consider a mental model in which there is crowd-think, or political pressure, or editorial bias, or political correctness, and/or maybe simple overt strong-arm consequences for those who transgress too far, or maybe simple cognitive bias, which is a well studied phenomenon,…”

    Response: that is precisely my area and I had published several articles discussing data (i.e., evidence) of bias and low quality of pharmacological research.

    However evidence (research bias) does not support your statements: “anyway some combination of the above, that often causes researchers reporting their results to issue statements in support of the Greatness and Benefits of Vaccines even in papers that report results highly damaging to them”

    Do you believe that humans are not causing climate change? “The same phenomena may be observed in “Climate Science”. In pretty much any cargo cult science, in fact.”

    Do you have evidence of this? “The results are, that flu vaccines have been repeatedly observed to cause collateral damage to immune systems both in humans and mice, whatever benefits they might provide, thus rendering humans and mice more exposed to some other infections than the ones they provided benefits against.”

  3. December 13, 2014 at 2:59 am

    Dear Natphilosopher, reading again what you and I wrote (Sept 26, 2014)

    1. I have no reasonable doubts regarding the vaccine against Human Papillomavirus (HPV). I do think that this is a safe an effective vaccine. http://www.bmj.com/content/347/bmj.f5631/rr/763638

    2. I now have reasonable doubts about the safety and efficacy of the flu vaccine.

    I agree with Margareth McCartney: http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6182

    I am also re-analyzing the evidence about flu vaccination: http://figshare.com/articles/Influenza_Database_ClinicalTrials_gov_amp_PubMed_Search_Query_October_31_2014/1224388

    Kind regards,

    Jorge R.

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